That’s crazy man! with broken bones and without magic power Erza is going to stop a super nova?
Please it’s a meteorite no one in FT has the power of a supernova lol
I wish acnologia would just come in and kill eileen. Madara is somewhere laughing at that puny meteor
And Saitama and Genos are watching the show with Madara.
OK. You guys are savage
Hell even sepiroth dissapointed at eileen.
I’m 90% sure I nut’d while reading this. ∞/10 from me.
Impressed that Eileen managed to break erza’s bones. Hopefully erza doesn’t nakama/talk no jutsu her next chapter
Well Fairies are super effective against Dragons.
I see what you did there
why doesnt this have more likes
She could have just called Saitama. The whole sprrigan arc would end in 1 chapter.
Maybe Larcade will beat Saitama with his pleasure power. Even though It’s kind of creppy
holy crap Larcade actually probably could defeat saitama.
Saitama has no emotions remember?Even thou Genos is their to incinerate larcade
Broke every bone in her body except her arm, and she’s gonna take down a meteorite with a sword. Oh Fairy Tail lol
She’s Erza that’s it that’s all
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Okay, Eileen loss her patience and used her Dragon form, with one hit she break every single bone in Erza body except her arm, then in anger Eileen summons a damn meteorite to wipe not only Erza but everybody else as well, one that Erza will try to stop with only one arm and possibly no magic power. \nIs Erza suicidal?\nShe would need a extreme level of magic to even scratch the meteorite let alone destroy it, it was casted by a Sage Dragon who can make herself even stronger via enchantments. Heck even Gildarts would need to focus his entire crash magic into one point to break a little part of it.\n\nWhy didn’t Eileen used that spell before to wipe FT in one hit and end the war quickly? If she had something like that on her arsenal.\n\nUnless Acnologia appear next chapter to kill Eileen is the only way to prevent her from casting that same spell two more times and wipe everything up.
It’s because Mashima has lost any reason as an author, and just does random crap for some reason. It’s truly sad.
Eileen hates the dragon form… There is no proof that she an perform master enchantment on her human form
NAKAMA & FAMILY POWER UP NEVER GETS OLD!!
Every Shonen ever,but only FT gets the hate for it.
And that for being honest about it ¯_(ツ)_/¯
To bad it’s not the truth,
Nope a lot of other shonen actually show them training or have a reason why they win not just same lame friendship excuse.
The characters do train. What do you think they were doing throughout the year time skip??
Lol they weren’t shown though. Also most were goofing off with other jobs. YOu rarely if ever see them “train” and what they do is not shown nor is it enough to get them to increase in such a time. There are cop outs like Second Origin but that’s another bs thing altogether
You don’t need to see them train. Natsu and Lucy were definitely training in that one year. Otherwise she wouldn’t have become so proficient in her star dresses and be actually a little stronger and Natsu wouldn’t have been able to use Igneel’s power. Wendy also trained. She can enter Dragon Force in her own will. So we didn’t see what they did during the year. So what? We didn’t see what type of training they did but I can bet it wasn’t easy.
Yeah kinda do otherwise they show no growth.\n\nMaybe not but by not showing anything like that or even implying, it all comes out as random powerups that make no sense. In good series, JoJo, Dragon Ball, YuYu, Hoshin Engi, Saint Seiya, Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Shaman King. They have to earn their powers and are actually shown trying and exerting themselves. In Fairy Tail, they get cornered then randomly pull out a power that just happens to be what they need and have not shown such a thing before. It’s just bad writing.
Didn’t people DBS get hate for this?\nI know FT gets a lot of hate but let’s not pretend they’re the only ones who pull this and gets hate
DBS hasn’t done anything to this level, lol.\nAlso no not many series do this, it’s rare and FT abuses the most of all of em. Other series yeah once or twice in the series, but not multiple times every arc
You haven’t seen Dragonball super have u?
Watch it every saturday. Never have I seen any of them have all of their bones broken and destroy a meteor. Not to mention Dragon Ball has set up standards and has reasons for things happening. Mashima never has any standards or reasoning they are constant asspulls while Dragon Ball as I said explains these things.\n\nGive me an example of something like this and I’m sure I can explain it.
Trunks killing an immortal god and getting a god form
Not sure what show you were watching but the show I watched it was clearly explained that Fused Zamasu did not have perfect Immortality due to Goku Black being mortal, this caused a contradiction in his body that started to destroy him from within. Then when Trunks sliced him Gowasu clearly explained that Zamasu had shed his Godly form into one of a Spirit to envelop the universe. Trunks did not kill Zamasu at all, it was Zeno who killed Zamasu. \n\nNever was it said it was a God Form, that’s fan speculation. Never did they confirm in the show it was God Ki at all. Even if it was Trunks did train with Vegeta several times before going back to the Future so it’s possible he started to see what Vegeta was able to see before he unlocked it and his rage pushed it past his limits, which is a Saiyan speciality which has also been explained even as far back as Dragon Ball before Goku was known to be a Saiyan and again when Freeza killed Krillin, or when 17 and 18 killed Future Gohan or when Cell killed 16, or when Beerus slapped Bulma. So yeah…..\n\nAre you sure you watch Super? As it was clearly explained on the first part and then Trunks can be made with common sense.
Can people stop using this argument? I’m not trying to be dick, but it’s a fact that not every Shonen uses the friendship trope, and even if they do, none of them abuse it like FT does, that’s why it gets hate.
TIME FOR THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP! go errzaa
I hope she dies.
Is it just me or does that meteorite look like mashima didn’t know how to interpret the size in his head on paper. Oh well. The Anime will probably give us more clearance. Just hope next chapter is not just plot armor
Does Mashima actually think this is good writing I mean seriously WTF, broke every bone but she’s going to tackle a meteorite. I have never seen such BS in my life in any series I’ve seen even gag manga. How the hell do people consider Erza an actual decent character I mean she’s the biggest Mary Sue I’ve seen. There’s just no excuse for how bullshitty her writing is.
Dude all you do is complain every chapter why not just drop the series. If you still are curios about something just return when the manga is over.
Criticisng does not equal complaining, learn the difference. At least I’m not like you and blindly swallow every piece of crap Mashima shits out. I’m fine how I am, hell last chapter I said was decent except for about 3 things so your comment is false. The fact you don’t complain about this crap is why Mashima is able to go on with this, well not you but his brainwashed fanbase.
I do not see your comments as criticicing what i get from your comments are hate
I read for the end too, and deep down I love this series but I’m sick of what it’s become. Just because I complain/criticise it does not mean I hate everything about it. It’s just FT does a lot of bs stuff that overshines anything good that happens in a chapter
Granted Mashima has always pulled idiotic asspulls out of nowhere and doesn’t think things through, but you should at least give him a chance to see this turns out. Maybe Erza ends up losing an arm or something. \n\n\n\nAlso you call Erza a Mary Sue yet she would have lost against Irene if it wasn’t for Wendy
True but it gets worse and worse over time.\n\nShe would’ve found a way somehow, and I don’t see Wendy using these abilities to help her. Yeah Eileen had the upperhand but now she’s fighting on her own better than earlier when Eileen is stronger than her normal self so…..
>I don’t see Wendy using these abilities to help her\n\nWendy gave resistance enchantments to Erza to help reduce the damage she was taking and also power boosts too. You say Erza is fighting better now, but if you look closely, by herself she still hasn’t actually scratched Eileen yet. The only reason why Eileen isn’t totally destroying Erza is because of the damage she took when she was in Wendy’s body.
Yes but they wore off, Eileen cancled them.\nTrue but even so she’s able to keep up with her attacks, and I doubt Eileen’s power dropped so much. True but it’s even more so BS that Erza survived that Dragon swipe, after all of this. Sooooo your point is null
Erza has always been good at dodging enemy attacks. She has shown excellent acrobatic skills in all her fights.\n\n\n As for the power drop, Eileen took a direct blow to the head, I’d say that’s a fair amount of damage to a person. The thing is, Mashima’s not good at fights so it’s also hard to tell whether Eileen is fighting with all her strength. We know she’s capable of high enchantments but she hasn’t really been using that in this fight so far, rather she’s just been exploding things left and right.\n\n\n\n Yes Erza did survive the dragon swipe, but all her bones apart from her arm are broken. I think that’s an acceptable result.
So that includes someone that is far above her in skill. Doesn’t work like that if someone is faster and stronger than you and has AOE attacks doesn’t matter how fast you are if they’re faster good example Burter is fast, Goku is faster. Another example Goku is fast, Freeza was even faster than that.\n\nAssuming that’s true for a person that’s in a psuedo human form. I know he’s not at good at fights lol. Correct so Erza being able to dodge giant explosions doesn’t make sense since they are concurrent with each other.\n\n\nIt would be IF she couldn’t some how propel herself up in the air for no reason other than she shoved herself up there. She has not been shown to use energy type attacks to boost herself. Toriyama thought it through when he did the same thing Goku used an energy beam to send himself upwards, when his kneecaps and arm were broken.
Where has it been shown that Eileen is faster than Erza? Throughout the fight, Eileen mas mainly been standing still. Then again, it doesn’t matter how fast Eileen is but rather how fast her explosions are. Furthermore, the only AOE attacks that Erza was able to dodge were small ones, large ones did hit her, as seen when she blew up the ground Erza was standing on when she was in Wendy.\n\nErza puts on a gauntlet before she propels herself, so it was not all down to raw strength. Although it’s hard to ascertain, it could be that the piece of gauntlet she equipped has magic that allows her to boost herself.
Pretty much a given since she’s leagues above everyone else.\n\nSo this random gauntlet just gives her the magic power to propel herself. Lame excuse really it’s pathetic tbh. Jesus the guy can’t write anything at all. Instead of letting someone else do something Erza pulls some bs armor.
Call it lame if you want, I think it shows Erza’s tenacity to keep striving at her goal. There’s also no one left standing in her area to stop the meteorite so it’s up to her to stop it. The reason she goes towards the meteorite is a testament to how much Erza cares about her friends.\n\nI will agree that the main flaw in Erza’s character is that she can seemingly pull useful armours out of nowhere, which is a direct result of Mashima’s poor ability to write interesting fights.
Lol it is lame, and you do realize it’s stupid? I mean come on how brainwashed are you really? That you can’t see this entire thing is just one big basket ofBS. Yeah and it’s also a statement to how bad this manga is. There’s a difference between bravery and suicide and this is suicide. Or it would be if Mashima knew how to write. Lol Gildarts is there somewhere conviently being occupied by grunts. Interesting right that their strongest mage is way off, doing nothing important. When Erza having everything broken but her arm is trying to destroy a meteorite.\n\nSame thing applies here.
More like you have too much hate for FT to enjoy it. Why is it stupid? While it’s not a clever story with interesting twists, there is still an acceptable degree of logic to what is happening. Suicide and bravery are not mutually exclusive. Erza doesn’t care if she will die attempting to stop the meteorite, she does it because she wants to. Much like how Makarov sacrificed his life to save the guild.\n\n\n\nLike you said, Gildarts is being occupied fighting grunts right now. She’s not near Erza. If your complaint is that Gildarts doesn’t have enough screen time then yes I agree. I think Mashima just doesn’t know what to do with Gildarts.
It’s not hate lol, it’s just common sense. Why is it stupid? Are you joking? Erza has all of her bones broken, and yet she can launch herself into the air and hopes to break up a meteorite? You don’t see this as stupid? Then you are a lost cause.\n\nThere is no logic in Fairy Tail. Give me an example and I can shut it down. The Gray and Natsu fight, no purpose whatsoever. Juvia transfering blood to Gray, wouldn’t work Gray would still bleed out. Brandish shrinking Mirajanes pierced heart, wouldn’t work the damage would already be done. How Erza calmed them down again no purpose. Any of Erza’s fights after the timeskip no logic. Her fight with Kyouka pure bullshit. Minerva turning good right out of the blue no logic. How the characters randomly get stronger without training or after just giving a speach again no logic. Anything Mashima does is on a whim. There is hardly any forshadowing or explanations. He writes himself into corners then comes up with contrived excuses that he thinks will fly. The Spriggen 12 all being stronger than all of Fiore, then being taken down with friendship speaches and 1 casuality. Yeah FT has plenty of logic lol\n\n\nYou don’t see the absurdity of that? Gildarts the strongest mage, being occupied with grunts? He should be able to wipe them out in an instant. This is a perfect chance for him to use Gildarts the strongest man vs the strongest women. Yet he gives Mary SuErza stupid powers up like this.
How can I enjoy a series that traded out any shred of plot for fanservice years ago. Not to mention everything that’s been ripped off from other series, the character designs, the plots, the techniques. THe main 4 characters are just horrible, at least the side characters are decent most of em anyway.
>Erza has all of her bones broken, and yet she can launch herself into the air and yet she can launch herself into the air and hopes to break up a meteorite?\n\nIt only becomes stupid when you compare it to real life. Of course, in real life a person with broken bones would probably have gone into shock, or fainted from the pain. However, this is fiction, one that greatly exaggerates the human capability, just like most battle shonen, because guess what? It’s for children. Think of it as the equivalent of a superhero comic book series. Children don’t want to see their heroes crying out in pain from every stab wound, they want to see them as impervious. Like it or not, Erza is a protagonist in the story of FT, so it’s not surprising that she, like Natsu or Gray, can still fight even though they have suffered what would be normally be fatal wounds. If you think that’s stupid then FT is not for you.\n\nWhich brings me to my next point, you just said yourself that you don’t enjoy FT, then why are you still reading it?\n\nAnyone can look super in depth into any fictional work and find flaws. I will admit that Erza’s fight against Kyouka was BS, but Fairy Tail has never taken itself seriously and neither should you. If anything that fight should have been your wake up call that this is what Fairy Tail is. If you are looking for a realistic story then battle shonens are not for you, especially not one like Fairy Tail that is ripe with generic tropes. You’ll be much happier reading something else. I’m not trying to defend Fairy Tail. It is what it is – a blatant generic battle shonen series. Don’t like it? Then don’t read it.
No it’s stupid in general. Just because it’s fiction doesn’t give it a free pass for doing absurd things. If it was a gag manga like BoBoBo or Dr.Slump then yes he can do whatever the hell he wants. Mashima has set up standards and guidelines, that don’t seem to apply to Erza or Natsu. That’s not an excuse it’s a feeble shield that doesn’t hold up. He’s shown before this stuff has stopped others from doing things. If he’s going to just start breaking his own world rules now and throw out consistency it shows how bad of a writer he really is. Remember Laxus he has broken ribs and a lung disease thanks to the particles, but he can’t even get up. Yet Erza who is weaker than him can move her entire broken body…..\n\n”Most battle shonen” really? I supposed Rock Lee could’ve just willed himself after having his bones crushed. Ya know instead of having to go through life threatening surgery. Or Goku ya know could’ve gotten back up after being ran through with the Special beam Cannon. I don’t think you’ve read many comic books, or many other SHonen at all. If you think this happens all the time in those things.\nExcept plenty of people who read comics want that stuff, why the Adam West era of Batman was seen as a joke in the 80’s and 90’s when comic books turned into what you just described. Hell Batman lit a group of people on fire and then proceeded to have sex with Black Canary on the same rooftop. Azreal killed people,etc,etc. So you apparently don’t read comics or have a very limited knowledge of them at best…..Hell Wolverine slashed people up for decades that was his whole shtick.\n\n Hell at least those series give reasons for the healing or at least a reason why they can survive such things. Does Mashima nope not at all which is why it’s so bad.\nExcept plenty of series do that, Batman has died, Wolverine’s been torn in half, Robin has been beaten with a crowbar and blown up. Superman has been killed.\nLol, Ft isn’t for a lot of people and it actually used to be better then this.\n\nUH yeah it has go back and read everything before the end of the GMG’s and you’ll see the difference. It’s much better and FT back then was good, and it’s not nostalgia as I recently went back and read the entire series and was shocked at the drop in quality and the increase in fanservice.\n\nLOL again you use battle shonens, but Dragon Ball doesn’t suffer from this, nor does Naruto, Bleach, YuYu, Shaman King, Saint Seiya, etc. They give reasons for why they are able to pull through, not just friendship give me strength bs. Goku trains constantly and is a Saiyan so he’s more durable and has access to senzu beans. Naruto has the kyubi so he can heal, Ichigo has hollow powers (Although him getting every new enemies powers is kinda silly) so he can heal, Yusuke barely makes it out of any of his fights and it’s revealed he’s a demon, Seiya and the other saints can ignite their cosmos to heal themselves during fights and the closer to death they are the harder it burns. See they give reasons are the shonen yes. Yet I never see those series go to such bullshit lengths with this, and the only reason giving is “It’s Erza” that’s all. If Mashima explained gave a reason other than Friendship, then yeah I’d be cool with it, but nope all we get is asspull after asspull. Please don’t drag other Shonen into this, because you have apparently never read any other besides FT.\n\nUH lol nice try but that’s not a good argument. I’ll read what I please I’ve put 11 years into this series and I’d like to finish it. I could say the same to you don’t like my comments don’t read em.
Give me an example of one other person in Fairy Tail who has had their bones broken and couldn’t move, because I can’t seem to recall any. I will concede that the story telling of FT is bad, but you’re being over critical of Erza even though this is consistent with her character. She’s always been a power figure in Fairy Tail and Fiore, right from her introduction. She does train too, and remember she now has second origin as well. And before you say Mary Sue, it’s not like she’s winning against Eileen either. She’s literally using her last spurt of power to stop that meteorite. \n\n\n\nIn addition, I am not calling Dragon Ball, Naruto or Bleach “generic” battle shonens either. There’s a reason why they are hugely popular, and rated better too. Of course if you compare it to better works it’s going to look bad, but that doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy FT for what it is – a simple battle shonen series. I completely agree with your point that FT used to be a lot better though. It had a very good premise and it’s clear that Mashima is running dry on ideas. It’s almost funny how Mashima improved his art style over the years but somehow his story telling got worse.
She has been a power figure but has stepped aside when needed remember the fight with Jellal and against Cobra? Natsu beat them, Erza was not able to. Erza is Plot armored to the max I’ll say that if not a mary sue. lol, there’s no other way she would be doing this. Plenty of times and the second origin was a cheap way of giving a power boost, and pretty sure that was a one time thing as no one else has used it again. Juvia and Erza both used it but never used it again against Tartarus or the others they needed it against. I don’t know if Erza really trains, it’s implied but never shown that’s the difference she’s usually shown goofing off with the others….\n\n\nAt least we agree on that. Why do I continue to read. Three reasons 1.Cana, 2. I like to finish what I start 3.I truly like it deep down and hope it goes back to what it was….
Why do you read FT? just wondering, i think death note id the most boring shit ever… You know what… i just dont read it… same with hunterXhunter…
Because I started it when it first came out, and I loved it up until Erza vs Kagura vs Minerva. Love went to like, then at the end of Tartarus where Erza fought Kyouka and all that BS transpired, I loathed it. I continue to read it out of, wondering how it’s going to finish, I mean I went with it for all those years I really hate quitting something when I’ve invested so much time into it. Other than that, I read it because there are several characters I enjoy when they get screentime so.
Is she still bitching just block her
Okay..Yeah I am late in this heated talk but eh sue me. \n\nYou are going to justifying FT by saying it’s for children? I don’t recall children books or shows having tits and arse close up 75% of the time. Nor do I recall women being brutally abused in full nudity children appropiate either. Oh right, so sexual harassment is okay for kids too. And constant death trolls that heavily hint its certain (Especially Juvia with UR parallel of disappearing) happens in kids stuff too. Gg Hige…Gg.\n\nI get you acknowledge ome if FT flaws..but to try and justify it with ‘its for kids’ and fictional. You cab only take a character that is HUMAN as Eileen made that clear..’mere human’..si far out of the boundaries if realism in manga. She isnt a saiyan..sge isnt a shinigami/hollow/quincy..nor is she a jinchuriki. She a plain ass human with some fancy armor requip.\n\nYes, this is the typical Erza pattern. But never since before the fight with Azuma..has she been that bad. Hell, not kyouka bad at least but stil bad. Dont ty and justify by saying this has always happened because it hasnt in this extreme way before tataros.even if she wore a gauntlet..That wasnt even made clear and was hand that was burnt by Natsu END progression stage. She would still require her bones and muscles to push herself up be it given a boost it not. Lets not forget she is in a requip with 0 defense. Even if she got minir help this arc it doesnt justify the ending to the fights at all nor with her other fights in previous arc that has 0 help. It was petty way to pity erza with her ‘struggle’ that was quickly overcomed more so than the likes of anyone like ichigo could which is the most bothersome because no one can relate to relate to a mary sue human like Erza because of how inhumane she goes about with struggle nowadays..Its robotic hence for the hate. But please tell if tgese shounens that do the same shit as FT because apparently most if them that are known and are complained about to justify FT don’t count due to being popular which usbbizarre considering FT was popular too. Top 5 before. Would love to know unless you are making false claims.
Yes FT is for children. It’s published in WSM who’s main demographic is children. The anime is aired in the children’s morning block too. Fanservice in Japan is not as heavily censored as it is in other Western countries, and the fanservice in Fairy Tail only ramped up during the last year I’d say.\n\nThe point is this isn’t out of bounds for Erza, or anyone in FT. They’ve always been doing crazy stunts. Heck Juvia stabbed herself, and then gave Gray a blood transfusion, then was able to be healed enough so that she could walk again. And guess what? She’s human too. Erza isn’t just some mere human though, she has royal blood in her, which is also a reason as to why she’s so strong. If you think she’s weak because she only has requip magic then you’ve not been paying attention. She has always had a lot of magical power from the beginning of the manga, coupled with powerful armours and her highly trained agility, Erza becomes a very formidable opponent. Sure, nothing to this extreme has happened before, but she’s grown since her fights, her enemies are stronger and more people are at risk from dying. She has to be willing to push herself. Furthermore, her burnt hand was partially healed by Wendy. It wasn’t stopping her from fighting with Eileen so why should it stop her now? \n\n>She would still require her bones and muscles to push herself up be it given a boost it not\nYes, she has the bones in her arms and hand.\n\n>Even if she got minir help this arc it doesnt justify the ending to the fights at all nor with her other fights in previous arc that has 0 help.\nSo she can’t win if does get help and she can’t win if she doesn’t get help. Well looks like nothing she does will ever be good enough for you.\n\n>no one can relate to relate to a mary sue human like Erza\nThe word mary sue implies that she should be perfect, yet as I’ve said before it’s not like she’s winning these fights either. She lost against Neinhart, and she’s losing against Eileen.\n\n>Its robotic hence for the hate\nThen your complaint should be that the battles are formulaic, which is not Erza’s fault.
It seems you can’t seem to answer what I asked in last paragraph, but anyway shall make do with what you just given.\n\nRoyal blood? I don’t know if you’ve even worded that right because if you are trying to excuse how she has handled her fights or a beating..Please tell me, why hasn’t Lucy, whom is of ‘royal blood’ couldn’t fight back after such brutality from past enemies like Minerva and such. She was knocked out unconscious as should have Erza in a majority of her fights. Wendy even said she didn’t even manage to heal Erza properly and even then, she still got battered as much as Lucy had, if not worse but somehow remains conscious. \n\nWhen did I ever call her weak? I just said she is of human built and has requip magic. She is no different than Lucy. Eileen acknowledges her as a human..her own mum. It has never been confirmed Erza has a bit of dragon or whatever in her, not even now. Just Eileen who was originally a human turnt to dragon but had a child whom is Erza, with another human. This is about human capabilities and Hiro is out there licking Erza’s arse while throwing out little too late information of her family that has lack of any hint or foreshadow that she could be dragon/slayer-related. Yes she has superhuman strength, but when it comes to struggling like that of a normal human, it isn’t her that’s doing the work, it’s clearly nakama or some bullshit. Her tenacity isn’t admirable, why? Because you can only go so far considering physical state and mentality. \n\nJust like with Natsu, these two have had the most fights that were illogicaland outright clearly favorited to spam by Hiro himeself. compared to others, especially mains like Lucy.\n\nI am not blaming Erza for always being the same like a robot/broken record with everything she says, mainly in battle..I am aware that this is Hiro’s writing and have pointed that out about how bad it is. Nonetheless, trying to justify Erza is pointless because Hiro’s writing will always be the result of a character. \n\nJust because it’s published in magazines for kids doesn’t mean its suitable. A majority even think FT now should just go over to hentai or something rather than act as shounen still. \n\nAnd a majority think Erza is a mary sue. It has only been the last arc where Hiro has probably noticed the Erza hate of being such and is acting on it to try and justify her as being better by making ALL her fights against spriggan, tag team when really it’s one or the other and mostly ended with Erza. Though, she is still glorified as one. It’s too late. Weighing out every she has done she is considerably very much a Mary Sue. The Neinhart fight doesn’t account towards otherwise. Neinhart by himself is easy to take down. Even Happy could take him out. The point is, Erza took out all her her past enemies that she ended like the Mary Sue she is, this time much worse..A glare. JUST a glare. Nothing else. It is still the same old erza pattern..The enemy has upper hand at first and beats her to pulp, but SOMEHOW..By some bizarre miracle, she can stilll beat them..Be it all her senses rendered useless, Body with entirely broken bones besides her right arm somehow (A dragon’s claw hands should be much bigger to crush her whole) or waking up by the voice of a man 1000 miles out like she somehow got warren’s ability to be telepathic. \n\nHiro has try to hard to make this perfect ‘badass’ female but has utterly failed in the end because no-one can relate or like the repetitiveness of her character. Mary Sue that I am referring to by the way, is someone who always wins no matter the odds or what they have suffered, they will always win. And yes, you could argue a majority of Ft people have had that, but not as bad as what Erza has suffered as a beating. She has flaws but they are barely noticeable because of how she is this great perfect titania who can overcome anything.\n\nInvolving the gruvia shit as a way to justify Erza’s stunts is utterly stupid because 1) I never mentioned how that was okay and have made it clear on last post that that was BS too and 2) Not the same. Why? That was a straight up death troll. Juvia should technically been dead but somehow Wendy has upgraded to plot Revival device. You don’t disrespect Ur’s death by making juvia ‘go out’ in a similar fade away fashion. Even making her say she will continue to live inside. Secondly as tobi cana has made clear, blood transfusion doesn’t work when the wound is still open. Blood will still be pouring out so is useless. Hiro clearly didn’t do his research right with that one, nor did he respect those who actually died by mimicking with another character and having the other suffer another dreading experience of ‘losing’ someone close. And quite honestly, they weren’t injured as bad as Erza. They merely had deep stab wounds that punctured mid section and were close to death from blood loss, but hey Wendy helped. But did Wendy heal Erza’s broken bones throughout most of her body and the other wounds fully? No. If Erza was in that situation, she would still be A-okay and continue fighting.\n\nThere was hope with this fight against Eileen, but in the end Wendy was K.O which leaved it to just Erza (Again). \n\nI am sorry, but ya argument is way too invalid to counter.
1. Wrong. Lucy was never of royal blood. Her mother was just a rich lady. Eileen was actually queen and had a lot of magic power too.\n2. Lucy is not as strong as Erza so no shit she gets knocked out. Lucy does not have Erza’s close combat fighting abilities.\n3. She still got some healing from Wendy before she began the fight and evidently it was enough for her. \n4. You already acknowledge that FT has a load of BS in it, yet you still try to judge it by realistic standards like human capabilities. Seems like a logical thing to do considering it’s a shonen manga.\n5. Wrong. Formulaic fights has no impact on her character at all. If formulaic fights are your problem then hate Mashima for failing to write an interesting fight. \n6. If it was not suitable it won’t not get published. That’s why hentai and gore are not published in that magazine.\n7. “majority think Erza is a mary sue” The majority are wrong because they’re idiots who just jump on a bandwagon. \n8. So nothing she ever does from now on will change your mind that she’s a mary sue. GG Typical butthurt Erza hater. \n9. She did lose against Neinhart though, all she did was disperse the historia. She never actually defeated Neinhart, whom you claim “even Happy could take him out”. She mangaged to disperse the historia through intimidation. Good tactic.\n10. “Hiro has try to hard to make this perfect ‘badass’ female but has utterly failed in the end” According to who? You? A lot of people still like Erza and thinks she’s badass.\n11. You’re not meant to relate to these characters. I’m not sure where you even got that idea from. Why the fuck do you want to relate to these characters? \n12. ” Mary Sue that I am referring to by the way, is someone who always wins no matter the odds or what they have suffered, they will always win.” Firstly, that’s the wrong definition of Mary Sue. Secondly, good job she doesn’t always win.\n13. ” not as bad as what Erza has suffered as a beating” So everyone should have the same amount of stamina in this manga. Gotcha.\n14. “She has flaws” Therefore she can’t be a mary sue. \n\nI am sorry, but you’re just a butthurt Erza hater. Keep being mad. Protip: You won’t because inevitably you’ll respond.
More like, you are are blind FT fan? I am sorry but most of the people who think Erza is still a badass probably haven’t even hit puberty yet probably 25% of the fandom now since most of fans don’t even like seeing Erza now which has clearly been displayed on tumblr and here), then again their opinion so whatever. If anyone is butthurt here, it’s you for trying too hard, beyond any logic and decent reasoning to try and justify her. Do you know how many people dropped the manga since that fight against Minerva. Many, because they were done with mostly Erza and the fights which now take up most of the panels, so it is hard to like something that has mostly been bad fights.\n\nWho are you to act like you know everything. Majority of what was the fandom have either dropped FT or just keep on reading for a character/they been invested in it so long and it’s coming close to an end anyway (My case).\n\nI don’t know ho old you are, but to end it with the cliche ‘hate’ talk that only those with a mind of a 10 year old would resort to that, but wanna play it that way..GG right backatcha, Hiro dick-rider.\n\nIntimidation a good tactic? Bruv, she ain’t a pokemon. Christ. When has she ever used that sort of ‘tactic’ in the past, besides comic relief when bossing FT members around maybe, but not to that extent. Neinhart wasn’t what made him strong, it was the dead he brought that made him appear that..Take that away, he is nothing. You take them out, you practically defeated him anyway. That was his magic. Oh~ So scarily smart, Erza. Jellal oly ascertained defeat, that ‘s it, but Erza done most of it by taking out the ACTUAL THREATS whom were neither Neinhart himself.\n\nMay I remind you once more, that I hate how she is written, not her character herself. She was fine up until end of tenrou, tyvm. \n\nAnd with the Mary Sure shit, I did say the definition I know of that many people go by and Tobi (Cana) made it pretty clear there’s various definitions, was the definition I just said in my last post. So don’t act like you are a human dictionary and know what is what. Only time she didn’t win was the time against Jellal. That is it. Minerva, Kyouka, Azuma, the katana lady (Forgot her name), Ajeel all finished by Erza herself. It’s never been jumping on bandwagon, people actually think Ft has gotten too shit to waste their time on. If anyone is jumping on bandwagon, it’s pretty much those like who who try whip anything to excuse Hiro’s poor writing as to try make it seem they put time to ‘good’ manga.\n\n’Mary Sue today has changed from its original meaning and now carries a\n generalized, although not universal, connotation of wish-fulfillment…the “Mary Sue” is judged as a poorly \ndeveloped character, too perfect and lacking in realism to be \ninteresting’ Get on that wikipedia boi because that is the definition I am going off by, not whatever your certain mind thinks.\n\nRoyal blood has no effect on how strong you are and Hiro has never said it has in Ft, so what has got you making those silly assumptions. Trying that hard to make sense of Erza’s character. Nice try mate. Eileen was a normal human with enchantments until that dragon got involved. This has nothing to do with royal blood, at all.\n\nNot meant to relate to characters? I am sorry, but are you a mangaka? Do you write the characters? No. Many mangakas have said they try to make characters likeable and have what traits/experiences people can relate to, be it love or overcoming hardship. Besides, either way it is up to the reader how they take the character. I don’t recall Hiro saying ‘You can’t relate to this character because yeah..Fiction’. Just because it is fiction, doesn’t mean we can’t relate to certain characters. It is a matter of opinion.\n\nI am not trying to relate to Erza, I am saying based from those I have discussed with who were once Erza fans or reasons as to why they don’t like Erza. At the end of the day, she is human..We can all relate to that until she goes way beyond.\n\nHer fights do actually have an impact on her character, because that is what we see mostly from her. And her nakama talk. That 75% if not ore of the screentime Erza has. And if they didn’t, she wouldn’t be thinking about those fights or the torture she has been through in fights like with Kyouka. She pretty much says she is what she is today from her experience which we, as readers, have mostly seen being her fighting and ending with nakama hakama.\n\nI am well aware how shounen mangas aren’t all that realistic, but am not JUST comparing it based on realistic human standards. No other shounen has made their characters go that far in uch conditions, beyond the boundaries of reality. You can’t say Goku (He isn’t human), nor can you argue and say Ichigo or Naruto. Erza is and confirmed a mere human. Do you see Eileen even say she isn’t just a human and has ‘royal blood’ or part-dragon traits. No..She is merely a human. Lucy may not be as strong as Erza, but that doesn’t excuse the condition Erza has been in which was far worse than Lucy has ever been in and yet still fight. I am not saying they have same stamina (You assume/misinterpret way too much btw), I literally said in last post her she as suffered worse. It’ not even about stamina, but durability. All senses out, she can still fight…Most bones broken but conveniently not right arm, still can hop up and down and destroy a meteorite. Like no, you can’t excuse that as ‘fiction’ or ‘she is strong’. \n\nYou can’t excuse any of that, you can’t justify it. You are so unbelievably in denial and with lack of research or knowledge for that matter. \n\nJust because it gets published in a young teen magazine, doesn’t mean what he’s been doing with the hentai-borderline fanservice and harassment SHOULD be done. That doesn’t excuse anything, at all. Kids are more likely to see gore than practically nude girls running with their tits in their face or ass up and between the legs or ladies being groped and touched sexually. Your reasonings so far lack all but a rough base.\n\nDon’t know why you treat this like who is right and wrong. This is my opinion. I don’t like how Erza has been handled. End of. And I will state my reasons as to why as i have. And you can still remain and have that high opinion of Erza. I don’t care , but at least give actual decent reasoning than repeat the same thing with lack of anything solid.
Oh geez that is a steaming pile of butthurt right there.\n\n1. “blind FT fan” Why don’t you try and reread what I’ve wrote in my previous posts because I’ve been pretty clear that FT has it’s flaws, in both Erza and the general story telling from Mashima.\n2. I’m only doing this because it’s laughable how serious some people seem to take FT. Hiro doesn’t give a fuck about realistic logic and neither should you. The smart readers have already figured this out by now.\n3. Good for them to drop it if they don’t like it. Maybe you should take their advice.\n4. Intimidation is a good tactic though. If you can win without using violence then you should. She’s always been intimidating. To say it shouldn’t work on enemies when it’s been used for comic relief in the path is moronic.\n5. Point is – she did not win against Neinhart. Doesn’t matter if Neinhart’s ghosties were dispersed. He was still sitting all snug up on that post, while Erza had collasped from unconsciousness. He literally could have walked up and finished her off if he wanted to.\n6. You just literally admitted a time when she didn’t win so…\n7. Yes that is the correct definition of a mary sue. Good job on educating yourself and good thing she doesn’t fall into that definition. \n8. Eileen was a human with strong magical abilities even before she turned into a dragon. OMG what a surprise her daughter is strong too!!!\n9. Tell me how exactly you relate to these characters when it comes to love or overcoming hardship because to me it all seems very fictional and unrealistic. Do you secretly battle a team of villains too?\n10.I’d say most of her character is actually developed outside of her battles and instead in conversations she has with her friends. Her battle side is just one part of Erza, and doesn’t reveal much of her regardless of how much screentime it gets. Yes she gives the nakama talk a lot but it’s really to show her enemies the reason why she fights. \n11.”She pretty much says she is what she is today from her experience” She’s not referring to her fights when she says that though. She’s talking about her childhood and how she was welcomed into Fairy Tail and grew up with people she could call family.\n12.I disagree, I’ve seen the other manga have people with parts of their body missing and were still walking like it wouldn’t be excruciatingly painful. You can’t just say “oh it’s because they’re a shinigami or whatever” when they can still die or feel pain from human like injuries. For example, Ishida or the Raikage.\n13.Erza is stronger than Lucy, both in fighting capabilties and mental toughness. It’s not surprising she can take harder hits.\n14.The all senses removed victory is bullshit I’ll give you that, but this meteorite thing is not that hard to suspend belief for considering the kind of person Erza is. We still don’t know if she actually manages to stop it.\n15.Sure one can say the fanservice is over the top. One can even say Mashima should stop with the fanservice. Whatever, the point is the magazine is for children. If they thought it wasn’t suitable they wouldn’t let him include it. “Kids are more likely to see gore” In what universe do you live in where gore is a more common trope than fanservice is in manga. Feel free to stop chatting shit anytime soon.\n16.Your opinion is that you don’t like Erza/FT, not sure which one it really is. I don’t care. You’re entitled to that. But to call her a mary sue is wrong. \n17.What I really want to say is if this manga causes you so much asinine pain to your brain then maybe you should stop reading it. You’re not a hero for continuing it because you’ve invested so much time. No one wants to hear the same old complaints being made every time.
And th same could be said visa versa, no one who thinks Ft has gone to shit wants hear people constantly buttlicking. But hey, opinions are opinions.\n\nThe fight with Jellal was before the Tenrou Island arc and in case you forgot, mister I am smart and I know everything, I said FT went downhil from the end of Azuma vs Erza fight onwards slightly but dramatically since GMG games midway. Erza became a mary sue since then so nice try for trying to justify her over something that was pretty much at the beginning of when FT was good. And the definition I gave doesn’t match to what you originally thought. Which was ‘no flaws’ when really this is about the action not behind that which we rarely see in recent arcs now.\n\nPeople have every right to take manga as they wish. For FT, it had great potential but Hiro shat on it midway. To not take it seriously? That isn’t the point here..The point is how he tries to make it serious by adding all these themes like ‘dark’ for Tartaros, love, bonds but it’s all ridiculed by the execution. You don’t just troll a death that resembles that another early o n in the series to then just undo it (Juvia/Ur case). Making it all serious and ‘feelsies’. You may acknowledge his flaws, but you still try to excuse it nonetheless so you are somewhat contradicting yourself there, son.\n\nAgain, you aren’t getting the point with the Neinhart, but whatever, can’t be asked to repeat myself. \n\nIt wasn’t just the meteorite, Hiro dug himself bigger grave by making he rveen slay a dragon practically..As well in a matter of 3 pages. Yeah Erza’s is strong, doesn’t excuse her condition though. Nor does Wendy’s assistance who literally just woke up in seconds from what we know and can somehow how enough consciousness and focus to pass on DS magic for the first time in her case..Like, car to try and justify that? Bemyguest.\n\nI will continue reading if I wish as I have for the past several years. It is no loss honestly and if anything it’s your reasonings that are more foolish than the manga itself. It’s direspect when the own author trashes on his own characters and how he portrayed them from start to now. This isn’t development because we don’t actually see them grow, it’s just given a time period and voila, we have this now.
My comments are only in response to someone trash talking.\nYou can’t become a mary sue. That’s not how it works. And even so, like I’ve said before she’s not dominating these fights either so she can’t be a mary sue.\nShe didn’t kill her with that slash either, just wound her enough to revert Eileen back to human form.\nErza being strong enough to still move clearly isn’t a good enough reason for you so there’s nothing I can do about that there.\nIt’s not hard to concentrate for a few seconds. You should try it too.\nHonestly, I don’t mind all the crazy bullshit that happens in this manga because I’ve already accepted that FT is shit like that. I don’t read it for the fights, I have other manga to read when I want to see actual interesting fights
Also think about it, if all her bones are broken then she’d be ragdolling all over the place instead of going towards her target
Actually Erza has only taken down one. Natsu has taken down the most.\nSecondly people think she’s a good character because of her backstory and what drives her to be the character she is now. Her character is just terrible when it comes to some of her fights. Other than that she’s an okay person since she doesn’t win everytime.\n”I have never seen such BS in my life in any series I’ve seen even gag manga.” Then u might wanna read One Punch Man
She’s fought three though and contributed to the defeat of two.\nTo me her backstories okay, it’s kinda generic. Her attitude though eh, because she does constantly physically and mentally abuse her friends. She also is quite selfish and intolerant of others, and is a bit to rough on people for no reason. In the christmas special she went as far as to sexually abuse and harass her friends out of sheer jealousy.\nOne Punch Man is a parody so I’ll give it a pass, but yes it is a bunch of bull
No when she fought the memory guy she passed out and her boyfriend had to take that win. \nShe’s still has yet to fight her mom, which I HIGHLY doubt is gonna end well. They couldn’t beat any of the Dragons in the future rouge arc so the only people that can take her mom are Dragon Slayers. I personally hope Agnologia does it.\nThe only spriggan she did beat was that sand guy and that fight actually made sense since she basically just used his kryptonite, aka water.\n\nAs for her character, you just proved that she isn’t a mary sue. She has clear flaws but still has good ones to balance them. She cares about her family ,but she can be a bitch at times. She cares a lot about others but not enough about herself. She will never be a great character and she will forever leave a bad stain in manga history, but at least she’s decent and nothing like some of the cluster fucks i’ve read over the years.\n”One Punch Man is a parody so I’ll give it a pass, but yes it is a bunch of bull”\nTrue, but still better than FT
Except she was the one to dispel Historia….\nShe’s fighting her mom right now and has been for awhile.\nThat would make sense but even so I doubt it.\nTrue but it would’ve made more sense for a Juvia and Wendy team up.\n\nMary Sue has different meanings, depending on which definition she uses she passes many. The test is if she passes three out of 6 check points she’s one and she passes 5.\nEH she’s the worst for me and I’ve read a shit ton of manga she’s a failed character that just isn’t that good.\n\nI’ve yet to read anything worse than FT.
Still not her win, if Jellal and Kagura not shown up he would’ve just left or tossed her in the ocean to die. She lost that fight.\nShe hasn’t beatn her mom so i’m not seeing your argument here\n\n”True but it would’ve made more sense for a Juvia and Wendy team up.”Trust me u don’t wanna do that\n\nAnd what are these made up check points?\n”I’ve yet to read anything worse than FT.”\nThen u need to step out of mainstream manga and find the manga that never got popular because they had literally nothing to offer. There you will find the really bad manga.
Agree with everything you said!! Damn right!!
Eileen the Sephiroth of FT
She wishes she had the level of power he does.
She’s stronger from all I’ve seen.\nSephiroth is nothing special compared to this.\nYes, in his final form, he’s stronger, but before that, he’s about a strong as Natsu was at the beginning.
Lol Sepiroth in base is ranked 5-A that’s a dwarf star level Erza is ranked 7-B which is City Level.\n\nTifa is stronger than Erza by far as well Tifa is 4-B which is solar system level. Erza has shown nothing while Sepiroth has feats and scaling due to being such a threat.\n\nSo Sepiroth kills her without a struggle at all. Sepiroth in his base form is stronger than Vegeta (in the Saiyan saga) and Nappa. Saibamen are enough to kill everyone in Fairy Tail with no trouble at all.\n\nWhy you shouldn’t go by your own judgement why they make ranking databases with feats. Most people don’t have the skill to evaluate battles luckily that’s people like me exist and we create these things for people who can’t gauge powers.\n\nNatsu at the beginning of Fairy Tail is 8-A which is Multi-City Block Level so no Sepiroth surpassed him easily.\n\nGuessing you never actually played FFVII or Crisis core, seen Advent children or anything else? Cause if you had then you’d know\n\nSepiroth in his Final Form is Solar System level. Summoning a meteorite means squat.\n\nErza hasn’t shown anything impressive without plot armor and she hasn’t even shown much destructive feats. Only reason she wins is because of plot armor lol\n
“Only reason she wins is because of plot armor lol”\nYou pretty much just summed up how 90% of heroes win.
EH not really, plenty of series actually have reasons or forshadow or have consequences. Plot armor has never been so obvious as it has with Erza or FT in general.
When u stop and think about how stupid most villians act yeah most hero victories are due to plot armor,being the mc, luck, the writer making eneimes stupid for no reason or destiny.\nInstead of eliminating heroes themselves, villians always take these stupid risks of sending grunts, assuming their dead, waiting for them to get stronger,or they just pretend that there is no way their plan can fail even though a normal person can see that their plan has a ton of flaws.\nThen there is those times when the master, team mate, or best friend just some how shows up to save the day just in time.\nOnly 10% of actions stories throughout all history are devoid of plot armor.
Eh true but some of them are well done, and yes thats called Pis rather than Plot armor.\nPlot armor is what Erza has that disallows her to lose no matter what when other heroes struggle.\nyou’re thinking of plot induced stupidity again
Lol not to mention she just copied Goku in her movements lol another plot point, technique Masima stole
Xerneas with 1 hp and is paralyzed but with nakama and DETERMINATION (Erza, since she is “the queen of the fairies”) vs Reshiram (Eileen, cause her dragon form really looks like Reshiram )
people are mad she’s stoping the what ever is it she’s stopping but it’s not like we know if she actually stopped it so shut the f up
Lol FT is predictable so…..
i don’t think it is this time
oh it is
5 seconds for each comment and u have like 100+ comments in the section alone, congrats u have wasted 9+ minutes of your “life”
Completely subjective. If I enjoy the time, it’s not exactly wasted. One could say you are wasting your life replying to me, and you so far as to calculate the time on my comments how nice. What one calls a life is subject to what a person truly considers what they enjoy. You say I have no life, yet to me I have one that I enjoy. I do plenty of other things so commenting doesn’t seem like a big deal. To me people who climb mountains don’t have a life, and people who join the armed forces are wasting their lives. Yet to them that’s what they enjoy or want to do with their life therefore to them it’s not wasting life at all. The sooner you learn to understand that, the sooner you realize what you do with your life is truly up to you and no one can judge you for what you enjoy doing.
plus you’re f*cking everywhere , hav e a life
I do have a life lol, it takes like 5 seconds to comment lol. Also what is a life is entirely subjective.
but you’re everywhere, do you hate FT
UH yes and no it’s complicated
Maybe Acno will appear and break it.
She’s gonna win because she’s One-Punch Erza.
I did the same thing against King piccolo
Exactly what I thought lol but Toriyama wrote it better, and Goku only had his knee caps and arm broken, and he had been shown previously to be able to propel himself in such a manner. This is just a random asspull for Erza
Have Erza not faced a few Spriggans with the same power of friendship wins, I would love this fight with Wendy and her vs Eileen (I learn to love Eileen as a character and be on her side, and the enchantment magic is epic!). But some of us wonder how much “character development” characters like Mirajane, Cana, Gildarts, Juvia, Lucy would get, having put them on a really difficult fight against Neinheart or Ajeel just to see their full potential. But like someone said, Hiro writes for fun and NOT based on a realistic level. This fight is entertaining, but predictable. Hiro is OVERUSING some characters (Erza/Natsu) in this “suppose” war while so much characters HAVE SO MUCH POTETIAL 🙂
THANK U!!!! I wanna see them fight more!! It’s not like they’re weak wizards
no problem!! haha but this is no good when this story arc “could” be the last one, having some characters that he himself introduced us undevelop 🙂
Mashima doesn’t know how to write other characters.
Hiro doesn’t know how to give “continuity” to some of his characters and develop them. Because he sure knows how to write or introduce other characters. He did it to Cana for example in the Tenrou island arc, and Mirajane in both Battle of Fairy Tail & Tartaros arcs (he give us her origins). But with them and a lot of characters he stops there, and dont give continuity to see how they grow as a person and as a wizard. Mirajane, Cana, Gildarts, Juvia for example. At least thats what I think.
Exactly my point he just kinda stops and doesn’t continue from there. The side characters are written much better than the main
This anime will always be one of my favorites. In this Alvarez empire arc Im glad to Hiro that Gajeel, Kagura, Sherria, Wendy, Levy got at least some character development. Both Erza & Natsu are good characters but they are already developed. We gotta recognize its flaws, specially considering this “could” be the last story arc. For now we all can only hope that those other characters will get there development or continuity.
how come no realized the arm that “isn’t broken” is the one burnt by natsu when he was turning into end? It could be the power she’s using comes from some of the power Natsu accidentally gave her.
Eh ? One Punch Woman
Lol I believe you mean her Majesty Mary SuErza.
how come no realized the arm that “isn’t broken” is the one burnt by \nnatsu when he was turning into end? It could be the power she’s using \ncomes from some of the power Natsu accidentally gave her.
I hope and think acnologia is going to destroy it if not welp giant ass pull is coming prepare for the comments.
Well, lets hope the bitch regains her motherly instincts and saves her daughter, otherwise idk how she will survive an impact with a meteor. But of course chances of that happening are slim to none.
I feel you